Change Is Difficult
One of the major reasons I support developments such as Ponte Vista is that environmentally and economically we cannot afford to continue building single-family detached homes in metropolitan areas.
Change is difficult. And this particular subject is probably one of the more difficult ideas for Americans to accept. The house with the white picket-fence has become ingrained as part of the American dream. But it is a concept which can no longer be supported by our environment, or our economy. Especially in Southern California.
First of all, in case anyone has forgotten, Southern California is a desert. What water we have to keep everything green comes from Northern California and Nevada. Through the unregulated draining of Mono Lake and the Salton Sea, we have almost destroyed a couple of the most diverse, beautiful, unique eco-systems in the world.
Why does everyone need a huge lawn around their home which they rarely use? I've been told that most children have favorite neighbor kid's house at which they congregate most of the time. So the rest of the lawns go to crabgrass, and take up huge amounts of water to keep them green. We cannot afford to waste the precious resource of water.
Secondly, if everyone held out for a single-family detached home, we would have to develop every acre between here and Needles to accommodate everyone. Think of all the natural beauty we would be destroying because people can't think of anyone but themselves. Millions and millions of acres of suburban sprawl. And you think traffic and commute times are bad now!
Speaking of commuting, hasn't anyone thought of the astronomical cost in gasoline and other fossil fuel products the commuting would cost and the pollution it would spew into our air? What about the hours lost for the people commuting to their jobs? The lost time with their families? Isn't this a quality-of-life issue?
Americans have gotten too used to having their scaled-down version of a vast prairie homestead, right here in an urban area. It just is not feasible any longer. We need to look to our European roots and look to their cities. Why should one house have a lawn the size of a park which is rarely used, instead of the homes having no lawns and having extensive use of the parks? Europeans seem to handle this issue very well and their children do not seem to be emotionally damaged by growing up in a "flat", or "apartment", or "condo". Whatever label you choose to give it, it is the same concept; efficient use of available land.
Taking that subject a little further. How many of you have spent time really talking to young people in their twenties? The baby-boomers and their hippies might have started the back-to-nature movement. But the young people coming up have taken it further than the hippies ever dreamt. And, after all, isn't it their world anyway? Don't we have a duty of stewardship to preserve as much of the environment for them as we can? Talk to them, they will be the first to tell you that multi-family housing is the only efficient way to live in a large metropolitan area. If this is what they want, do we have the right to squander their trust fund? Especially as most of the people so rabidly espousing R-1 are already ensconced in their own home, so it really does not affect their situation at all. (Except perhaps to raise their property values because of artificially restricted supply.)
We owe it to our children and our children's children to be as efficient as possible in our development of housing. We cannot squander their future because of the loud and boisterous demands of those few people who want to preserve their panoramas, or spend 30 seconds less waiting at a traffic light. I, for one, would gladly spend more time getting around town, so my grandchildren can have a better world to live in.
21 comments:
The comment which was deleted was from Mark Wells. Another rambling diatribe with no real point other than to criticize without offering any concrete ideas. This blog is not a place for argument-for-argument's sake. Free-association posts should be kept on his own blog.
Tom Field
Don't we have a duty of stewardship to preserve as much of the environment for them as we can? Talk to them, they will be the first to tell you that multi-family housing is the only efficient way to live in a large metropolitan area.
The Ponte Vista area is hardly a large metropolitan area. European style multifamily housing is only effecient if many of the services required are within walking distance.
If this is what they want, do we have the right to squander their trust fund? Especially as most of the people so rabidly espousing R-1 are already ensconced in their own home, so it really does not affect their situation at all. (Except perhaps to raise their property values because of artificially restricted supply.)
You are not going to win over anyone or gain any credibility by telling people that Ponte Vista doesn't affect their situation at all.
Anonymous 10:19pm
Ponte Vista itself is not a large metropolitan area, but it is contained within the LA Basin which is the largest metropolitan area in the country, and home to to the world's 12th largest economy.
Secondly, I am not telling the general population they will not be affected. I am saying the people who oppose Ponte Vista have an easier time denying the opportunity for home ownership because they already have theirs.
Please read what I write a little bit more carefully. Thank you.
Tom
On an unrelated note it looks like this blog has acheived linkage on Curbed LA's website, that's an acheivement!
Wow, Thanks for letting me know kris.
Tom
How do you know those who oppose Ponte Vista already own their own home?
anonymous 7:57pm
Well, I have to admit that is an extrapolation. I have not gone through every name on the R-1 petition, so I cannot give you a person-by-person answer.
However, everyone I have seen at any of the CAC meetings who got up and spoke against Ponte Vist and for R-1 said they were homeowners, it has been published on Mark Wells' blog that Home Owners Associations (and these HOAs were not condos, but SFR communities) turned in R-1 petitions, all the members of the steering committee who have passingly been mentioned are homeowners.
The trend is pretty strong.
Do you have any evidence, anecdotal or otherwise, they aren't?
Tom
Everyone I have ever talked to about Ponte Vista is against it and wants to keep San Pedro from getting too crowded. They all signed the petition. This includes renters and homeowners alike. We know something will be built at Ponte Vista and keeping it R1 is th best chance we have of keeping San Pedro from becoming overcrowded. Look at West LA. It is the biggest mess I have ever seen.
This last post was a threat from Mark Wells that I am "quoting his blog" and "mis-stating facts".
Well, I guess the "Ann" he refers to in his post of May 21, 2007 doesn't exist. Maybe the post doesn't exist and it is a figment of my imagination.
Perhaps Pat Nave and Doug Epperhart are figments of my imagination also.
Whatever. Once again, instead of focusing on the topic, he is going off on a rant.
Please not that the post from Anonymous 10:06pm remains even though he or she disagrees with my opinion. But at tleast they are courteous, state their opinion and state their opinion and position succinctly.
Actually, I have to agree with them on part of their post. West LA is a traffic nightmare. I do not want that for my neighborhood either. So there is some common ground. We do not need to be at each other's throat with threats just because we have differnet opinions.
I did not, and do not, like the proposed project of 2,300 units. ButI do not believe the other end of the spectrum of R-1 is the answer either.
I will continue to delete comments which are off-topic, threatening, or offensive. For those of you who wish to engage in constructive discourse, you are welcomed to comment as much as you like and I will endeavor to find an answer or give my opinion to the best of my ability.
Tom Field
Tom,
Why not shine some light on the affordability of home ownership in Wilmington,and parts of Harbor City & Lomita?
First time buyers and san peeedran's off-spring should consider investing in these areas thereby reducing the traffic impact Pontevista would have on Western should the zone change.
Anonymous 11:59am
Good point. Let me do some research. As I hope you saw in my previous post when someone asked about comparable units, it might take me a couple days to do the research, but I will post back up with my finding.
The only thing I can comment on immediately is that many people do not want to leave San Pedro if they don't have to. Unfortunately, they have had to. There are some neighborhoods in the 3 areas you mentioned which are a little ummm "unpolished" shall we say. They might be a bit less expensive and investment there would be a "leading edge" tyoe of thing where they would have to wait for the neighborhood to catch up to them. But on the other hand once it di the increase in property values would be fairly rewarding.
Tom
Oooooh Tom. Here we go again. You get challenged and you go moderator on me!! Sorry Tom, your arguement that supports Ponte Vista as saving the environment for future generations does not work. Increased population density equals higher concentrations of pollution and environment erosion. I'm worried about my children who are living in San Pedro today!! Keep it simple bud, and we will all benefit in San Pedro. Remember less is better!
Signed,
The Most Moderated Anonymous on Tom's Blog
Anonymous 9:28am
Please don't call me "bud"? Okay? I just don't like it.
But despite that, you make a valid point and I'm not going to "go moderator" on you.
I agree higher density can equal higher concentrations of pollution and environmental erosion. However, those are not the only two forms of danger to the environment. On the other hand single family homes present their own problems. Water use combined with having to live across town from where you work are very serious also. How about us discussing ways to find a blance in minimizing all the hazards?
Tom
See Tom, the problem I have with trying to find the ultimate detailed solution is that Bob Bisno is and will not listen if it affects his bottom line profit bogey. It's a waste of time and effort to solve a problem that you and I or anyone have no influence over. Who is going to convince that man to do anything? That's why I'm heavily in support of R1 only, because it assures me of the minimum in population growth. Outragous population growth is at the root of the problem here. Let's face it Tom, San Pedro will never be its own self contained society where people do not have to travel in order to live life. Hey wait a second....isn't that what they already say about Pedro folks! You have a dream Tom. That dream sounds nice but I just don't think it has any place in San Pedro. Fight to preserve what we have...it's a nice place as is, that's why people are clamoring to live here.
Overly dense areas become slums. Pure and simple.
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